the rage of the all american man!

jag kastade mig in i diskussionen i facebook-gruppen "Obama vs. McCain - The count to one million" efter att jag skrev mitt "snälla rösta inte på mccain"-inlägg igår kväll. jag skrev:

I wonder if you people fully understand how much your vote matters to us outside the US. If Sweden was allowed to vote, Obama would definitely be the next president. I heard somewhere that he got like 85% in a number of polls.

I think I speak for the entire planet when I say: PLEASE DO NOT VOTE MCCAIN. I beg you. Please. Don't. Vote. McCain. It would fucking break my heart.

jag fick två svar. en från en ryan tillbrook:

well then annahita i think you need to petition your government and obama to get him to come over to sweden and be YOUR president if you want him so badly that it would break your heart.

och ett från en ryan james:

Annahita don't take Ryan Ts comment personally. He has yet to fully understand the magnitude of effect a US President has on the world.

blev rätt nöjd. men lite irriterad på tillbrook-snubben, för han skrev också saker som "it's about to keep what you earn and not having to support people who decide not to work", och andra osköna och själviska grejer. jag skrev då ett till inlägg som löd såhär:

Damn. This Ryan Tillbrook fellow makes me really depressed. He is the type of person you suspect that many Americans are, while you sincerely hope you're wrong: selfish, stubborn and kind of stupid. And he also seems to be afraid of everything that's not ridiculously macho and heterosexual. Yeah. It's true. Nobody really likes Americans in Sweden.

But still we feel so relieved when we watch one of the many, many programs about the election, when democrats and liberals are interviewed and they say things like "Please don't think that all Americans are like that, there are nice people here too", as if they KNOW that we really... well, think less of you. Bush and republicans in general has severely damaged your reputation around the world, so I have a little tip for you: when you travel, say you're Canadian. That way, you're not laughed at behind your back.

and all hell broke loose! han blev skitsur, haha! han skrev ett desperat ilsket inlägg som svar som egentligen bara fick mig att skratta:

yes and it appears that swedes are rather arrogant themselves. or is it just you. don't come on here and insult me because i disagree with a candidate in an election that really has nothing to do with you. this is the american people voting on THEIR president. how would you like it if i came to your country and insulted you because i didn't like YOUR choice of candidate. it is rather arrogant and rude for you to come here and call me all kinds of derogatory names and say i depress you because i disagree with YOUR choice of MY president. sorry but you are the rudest most arrogant person i have heard voice their opinion on these boards. and yes i have heard all about how the american president affects everyone around the world. but it doesn't change the fact that it is OUR election for OUR president and the fact that you are arrogant enough to come here and insult people for disagreeing with you is just plain rude.

hahaha. jag försökte att inte vara så "arrogant" och "rude" i mitt svar, för jag ville nog ändå ha en konstruktiv diskussion med honom, så jag svarade:

Wow. I wonder how many times you wrote "arrogant" and "rude" there. Your point is very well made, indeed. The fact remains clear though; the point is not that it's YOUR country and YOUR election and YOUR president, I kind of knew that already. The point is that I'm still entitled to have an opinion, even if the election maybe doesn't affect me as much as it will affect you. And no, you don't depress me because you're not voting for Obama, please, I'm not that stupid. I am aware that there are republicans who are as good-hearted, intelligent and compassionate as any democrat or random Swedish person (we're not perfect either, I just wanted to point out that we don't like American foreign politics), that's not the point either! You make me depressed because you have a really rotten attitude towards work and economy.

And by that I am referring to a post a few pages back where you said something about how "it's about keeping what you earn and not having to support people who decide not to work". And I just don't think it's that simple. The American way is really tough on people who are born on the bottom, and all that talk about the American dream, you know the one with the "born in the gutter, died on the top", doesn't really work that well with your thoughts on private economy. What if you, some day, find yourself without a job, for example. How will you make ends meet until you find a new job? Will you live off of your gf/parents/buddies? If you're hesitant to support for instance, unemployed people, then it's not appropriate for you to recieve that help when you need it. Simple as that. That support is meant for everybody who needs it, when they need it. You can't live side by side in a society if you won't share. AGAIN: someday you might need it.

det blev cp-långt men jag hoppas att han läser och framförallt hoppas jag att han svarar! för jag UNDRAR verkligen hur kan tänker kring sånt här!! really, I DO!!